I’m commenting because I had a side effect not mentioned here, but it was muscle soreness and weight gain because even just a mild 30 min jog which normally would have increased my energy resulted in extreme soreness that wouldn’t heal. I read that it was due to needing Creatine because of the increased energy use of the brain takes those resources away from your muscle repair (which for me had always been exceptional so maybe this was why my brain benefited from the supplement so much). The Creatine fixed the muscle soreness right away but I was reading this article looking for more info about racetams and exercise/muscles.

I found that the full spectrum B vitamins are essential to include with use of the racetams; basically it’s the type of thing that you can include on top of a lot of supporting nutrition and antioxidants, because if you intend to work your brain harder then it needs more fuel and you need to take care of it.

I took 30mg for 10 days. On day 10, I had sex with my girlfriend and in the middle of the sex my erection was gone. After this experience, I stopped taking Noopept and my erection went back to normal and I had normal sex…

Yesterday, 1 month after Noopept, unfortunately the same thing happened again. After an initial erection, it disappeared after a few minutes. I didn’t think of it, it came for no reason … like 1 month ago…

MY QUESTION:
Is it possible that the side effect come back once after 1 month? like a flashback…..
In the meantime everything was normal.

How can these reports for many folks mean much? Each persons response and picture and history and attitude and starting place is so individual.

And in this crowd use patterns of everything under the sun makes the comments near meaningless.

Piracetam is super low on toxicity and all people respond to all substances idiosyncratically.

American medicine especially due to pharmacology and money driving things is headed for bankrupting the whole American society. We badly need to intelligently utilize empiric knowledge because double blind proof for everything and $300 million is never going to happen.

lmao
Piracetam is the safest thing on earth

Phenylpiracetam, oxiracetam, aniracetam, fasoracetam, and noopept. I have trialed pramaracetam and piracetam
Choline wise – CDP-Choline / centrophenoxine Trialed Alpha-GPC
CDP-choline makes me feel depressed, but it seems to rejeuvenate you after several hours. Centrophenoxine is the way to go, although it can cause stomach upset.

Id personally reccomend phenylpiracetam, oxiracetam, aniracetam. Piracetam is very strange stuff, like a major dysphoric, impending doom kind of thing. It is very psychedelic to me also causing my thoughts and feelings to magnify considerably and I am not able to shake the reality of these feelings from the present moment. Probably just personal, or perhaps it accessed past traumas and they are coming up interspersed with thoughts on how things go wrong etc. Perhaps in lower doses over time it would have a neuroregenerative/protective effect.

Sometimes psychedelic experiences can be very unnerving, but they allow for greater healing over time.

Noopept is irritability riden, no matter how much much I take, or frequency wise, by itself, with choline. One time I had a HD experience and it was cool, but most of the time I wish I hadn’t taken it. Again I might be having some sort of cognitive enhancement, but the fact that my anxiety shoots up doesn’t really allow me to access anything useful. Pramaracetam has potential, but you really have to be do something interesting and productive, otherwise your mind becomes quite restless. This is something I will explore further once I have funds allocatable for extra supplementation.

That’s the thing about smart drugs, you really should be doing something that challenges your brain, or falls along the purported “effects” of the drug. Not just mindlessly gobble pills and powders and hope for the best!

Oxiracetam is solid. Amazing stuff. Dissolves quickly in water, just dont overdose. Phenylpiracetam is ridiculous, but dont abuse it. It’s the closest thing to the limitless pill that I feel. To me oxiraceam is to Ritalin, as phenylpiraetam is to adderall.
Aniracetam should be dosed slowly and used to relax. It really helps mitigate repetitive thoughts, it helps me tame my mind so to speak. It has little side effects, although if you dose too much too quickly it can feel a bit strange.

I also have tried several boosters and synergistic combinations this year. Uridine, n-acetyrosine, lions mane 8x dual water/alcohol extract, vinpocetine, Gingko Bilboa, Rhidola Rosea. Im coming up on a year of lions mane dual extract. I can attribute positive effects to its consumption, just like an overall command of your faculties, and avoiding Kinesthetic appropriations.

Caffeine is pretty much a racetams best friend. Aniracetam I like ashwaghanda Sensoril extract.

Fasoracetam is not very useful to me, but I haven’t taken a large dose. I had a compromised gaba system, so I thought it might help. I think its more background/placebo, could obv. be wrong though

After nearly a year of supplementation with all these I feel completely different than I did last year. I feel very good, in control, and have progressed significantly with physical activity, playing the piano which I did as a career for a number of years,(Ill be back though!) and establishing better relationships with family and friends. I was very tired and depressed at this time last year and can’t believe I have hope for the future like I never did before. I also give a shout out to PQQ and iodine.

My best advice is if you are having trouble with smart drugs, is that you take a look at your deficits in vitamins and minerals first. Also your habits, diet, sleep quality, etc that this website so wonderfully outlines .

Interesting ideas! Thanks, Collin :)

I have a theory as to why people are experiencing such negative results. While individual brain chemistry definite varies between individuals and the chemical interaction should be noted and considered, I’m really curious about the psychological element here.

I’m a phd student in a depth psychology program, and we work a lot with denied aspects of the psyche, commonly known as the shadow. Piracetam effects a wide range of areas in the brain, but specifically the corpus colosseum is cited as a major region where higher flow of information begins to form. There is also a good deal around neuroplacicity, the hippocampus (memory and discernment) etc. and a decent amount of research to back these claims. That being said, the fact that it effects the brain doesn’t mean that’s it’d necessarily doing so for the better.

Anyways, to get to my long belabored point, the understanding that piracetam is connecting areas in the brain and increasing communication between the two hemispheres also would mean that it is uncovering synaptic connections that may not be ready to be uncovered. From a depth psychological perspective this could mean that repressed somatic experiences may start to come online – ie the shadow that has been placed in the unconscious and into areas of denial so as to cope with life and survive may be getting pushed to the surface. If we are not ready to deal with the subsequent shake up and emotional processing then the nervous system will find a way to block this once again… perhaps through brain fog and a sense of decreased intelligence. The power of the brain and nervous system is unbelievable and can circumvent and reorganize unwanted feelings and trauma, even in the face of a drug that is attempting to create cohesiveness in the brain communication.

So the symptoms described in detail may in fact be the result of a body/mind attempting to keep certain areas of the psyche untouched. This would be a protective mechanism in my opinion and i would suggest not taking the drug but rather finding other means by which to have cognitive clarity, and also maybe begin some kind of process by which uncovering denied material can happen at a pace suitable for you and your nervous system.

Anyways, just a theory.

–C

Since there is no regulation (and maybe some people would be against government regulation) we as an online community need to regulate this market ourselves. I would suggest it would be very helpful therefore, if the owner of this site, and others, when gathering this very useful data on negative experiences etc, can quote the brand and vendor source of the product. We may then begin to make some meaning and see patterns emerging, bad vendors/bad products and good vendors/good products can be more easily identified.

Overdosing anything can lead to ill effects, even vitamin C. These studies were based on crackhead doses, not responsible dosing. #DontEatWholeBag

A big part is your own lifestyle. I really doubt that a person with healthy life patterns runs into a catastrophe when taking Racetams. you just cant live a sloppy life and expect that Piracetam turns everything around. It also isnt that you dont have any influence what the Racetam does in your body. Its a big difference if you do it the lazy way: Waking up in the morning taking your teaspoon of Racetam and hope that everything will be good and then watching TV or anything like that. If you do meditations, excersise, affirmations, if you have a goal why you take Racetam, then you have a healthier approach to nootropics. You have to realize that there is a underlying reason why you feel like you feel.
It isnt that science knows everything about that, but we can be pretty sure neurotransmitter are playing a very big part. BUT to produce neurotransmitter the body needs basic stuff ! There isnt anything like Piracetam in your body. So Piracetam isnt the first thing your body needs ! ! ! Your body needs vitamins (especially a massive amount of B, also C), it needs minerals, trace minerals, it needs a good source of antioxidants, good healthy fatty acids.
So when you now bring in a hard hitter like Piracetam and you are basically depleted and lack Vitamins, minerals…its not a good idea to take Piracetam alone. We dont know what Piracetam does exactly, but it surely speeds up your brain in some ways. And if this happens your body needs more of the basic substances i described. If you dont feed your body what he needs to function, you will totally leach out your body with time.
So that may sound harsh, but point at Piracetam and say “its evil, it harms” is a little bit childish and totally out of context. It depentds !

Its understandable that people are looking for short term solutions if they feel dysfunctional or/and depressed and the medical system is not very helpfull.

But Piracetam or any other nootropic can at best be a part of the puzzle to living a happier life, but nootropics alone cannot and will never be THE solution.
Some of you people really need to dig a lot deeper and invest more time into how to get a healthier lifestyle. Thats just the truth and you know it !

Thanks again for your post, albeit some years ago.